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#1 graham1

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:02 PM

Contrary to the scaremongering & innacurate information published by the local newspapers - you will be able to receive most of the main UK terrestrial channels on a small - 1 metre dish after any changes to Astra 1N.

Whilst presently we do not know what the outcome to the signal changes or affect on dish sizes will be when Astra 2F is released, it is possible to pick up UK TV on a 1 metre dish from a different satellite (if required) - on Intelsat 907.

The key point is if this situation does occur, most will require a change of satellite receiver as in order to receive the channels from this satellite as requires a receiver which allows reception of a very high frequency range that most satellite receivers tuners do not function on.

Satellite dishes would also need realignment to receive these channels, though you will still be able to utilise your existing 1 metre (or larger) dish.

In summary a dish retune & a change of receiver should be enough to guarantee you reception of BBC / ITV.

For those receiving Sky, which is mainly broadcast on Eutelsat 28A, which is presently not changing, it would be possible to link 2 dishes together (for example 2 x 1 metre dishes) one for Sky, one for the UK terrestrials and connect them both through the same receiver. Alternatively a motorised system with a single dish will work (though takes considerably longer to set up & install compared to a fixed dish system).

Presently we are not releasing prices or further information - the reason for this post is more to make people aware, that if we do find ourselves in a position where the signal has a major affect on reception, there is an alternative solution. There are also other solutions with IPTV and streaming, however these do depend on internet speeds & stability for quality reception.



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Posted 08 November 2012 - 12:24 PM

But on 27.5 west ( Intelsat 907 ) the signals are scrambled and require keys to unscramble, BISS for ITV/BBC and PowerVU for Channel 5 , so can I ask how LEGALLY can you supply new keys when they change ? I know they can be downloaded from certain sites and inputted if you have access to a computer to find them , but am curious as to know how you could do that for everyone and remain totally legal .

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:16 PM

We will just supply the receivers & if required at a later stage will also forward the information / instructions for any change of codes - for free. We will not profit from anything other than installing the legal equipment, nor would we charge a service or subscription fee. All we will do is provide information or links (if required) from websites that already freely publish this information. However - There have not been any changes to the codes, but of course no one can ultimately guarantee the long term future. Eitherway if codes do need to be changed it is a simple operation which can be done via the remote control & without a computer.


This is not the same as profiting from rebroadcasting content or charging ongoing subscriptions for this - neither of which we will be doing. If however Torresat or similar do retransmit this signal & then charge a subscription as they do currently, then they will be breaking the law at a higher level than they are doing now.


It could also be argued that if you cannot get the BBC on a reasonable sized dish on Astra 2F, that the BBC is also breaking the EU 'TV without frontiers' directive which does state that we should all be able to receive our UK TV with a satellite dish. This is a complex argument, but either way we technically are within our rights to receive UK free to air TV from a satellite dish.

Edited by graham1, 08 November 2012 - 03:44 PM.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

So if you move over to Intelsat 907 will you only be able to get BBC and ITV? What about Channel 4, Channel 5 and their various offshoots and childrens TV like Pop and Pop Girl?

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 04:54 PM

If you look here it will tell you what is available on that particular satellite, forget about Channel 5 though, you wont get keys for Channel 5 .

http://en.kingofsat.net/pos-27.5W.php

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:24 PM

For those of us who have lived in Spain for a number of years, there has always been some form of compromise getting UK TV. It wasn't that long ago when we struggled to get BBC2 & Channel 5 in Spain even on a 1.9 metre dish.

CBS, Tiny Pop, Men & Movies etc and a fair amount of the other English language FTA channels are still on Eutelsat 28A which is receivable.


However those with Sky subscription will be able to pick up Sky channel 5's, as well as the other 4's & plenty others - so still ways & means to get most channels.


Fact is, if we have a worse case scenario most people will be happy to still be in a position to be able to get BBC News, BBC 1,2,3 & 4 BBC HD, BBC1 HD, Channel 4 & HD & ITV HD, CBBC, Cbeebies all free to air as well as all of the BBC radio - not perfect but it's the highest rated channels people watch & are available without monthly subscription.


When all said & done we may not need to go down this path & current dish sizes or small increases may prove sufficient to pick up 2F, which will hopefully be the case - however my point was, if we find that the 2F signal is impossible to pick up on any size dish, then this is a viable alternative, if not one as convenient as 1N.

Edited by graham1, 08 November 2012 - 07:42 PM.

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Posted 11 November 2012 - 09:48 PM

NALLEN: So if you move over to Intelsat 907 will you only be able to get BBC and ITV? What about Channel 4, Channel 5 and their various offshoots and childrens TV like Pop and Pop Girl?


Intelsat 907: BBC HD, BBC1 HD, BBC2, BBC3, BBC4, Cbeebies, CBBC, BBC News, ITV1 HD, Channel 4HD receivable on 1 metre dish.


However other channels you mention are on Eutelsat 28A, which is also receivable with a 1 metre dish - they are just far apart in orbit, so if we find you cannot get 2F reception with a 1 metre, you can either use a single dish to pick up Eutelsat 907 for BBC etc shown above - or have 2 dishes, one for Eutelsat 28A (CBS's, Men & Movies, True Entertainment, Movies, Kids & News: http://www.lyngsat.c...telsat-28A.html (full free to air listings of Eutelsat 28A). Both dishes can be linked together through a single satellite receiver (not a Sky or Freesat receivers)


Eutelsat 28A also has much of Sky;s content, which has alternative ITV's. 4's & 5's (all subscription as with other Sky channels) but not the BBC's .

Edited by graham1, 11 November 2012 - 09:51 PM.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:55 PM

Hmm - my roof could look like a spaceship with all those dishes on. Lets hope that the signal on the new satellite is good enough not to have to do this. Just as a matter of interest have you any idea of how much you would charge for a second dish and cabling etc if we had to go along this route?

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:18 AM

Standard install price for a superior 1.00 metre, sensitive dual output 0.1 LNB, bracket, cable & single connection is €199.00


Bear in mind if you just want the main FTA BBC's, ITV, Channel 4 & the two kids channels CBBC & Cbeebies (again assuming worst case of no reception on 2F) will still be able to receive these channels off a single 1 metre dish (along with BBC radio stations), with the appropriate satellite receiver - it's just we may need to go hunting for another satellite if you want Sky or some of the other FTA channels.


There is also the possibility of having a single dish motorised system, though our engineers have concerns over the long term reliability of these type of systems however higher specification motors may be the answer - under review.

Edited by graham1, 13 November 2012 - 02:13 PM.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:44 AM

I have been using a DarkMotor with metal gears for almost 6 years here, if thats of any help to you, with a dreambox , spiderbox and now a amiko alien ( Very good STB and cheapish ) the latest Dark Motors will take upto a 1.4 mtr dish . ,

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

Thanks Vic - where we have concerns is the usage level could be higher than 'usual' for example if BBC is on one satellite and some of the other terrestrials / Sky are split on another, then you will be going back and forth quite often. Presently (on our motorised system) we have all the main channels on 1N, then a couple of degrees away the MBC's on Badr at 26 degrees east, then German / Dutch etc on 13 & 19 east - which rarely gets looked at. If you have a household full of people and channels split in such a way, then the potential use on the motor could be far greater, potentially leading to premature wear.

Where problems can occur with the motorised systems is wear on the gears, though the model you mention above is designed for a 1.4 - many motors recommend around a 1 metre (though you can go bigger / the whole hog with actuator set up). The other issue is they can go out of alignment, though depending on the receiver you have, you can give them a 'gentle nudge' from your remote control to put them back on beam.

Being an installation / service based company we have to prioritise in putting in equipment that is easy to operate and reliable as possible - I suspect that if the motorised route is one that proves viable / suitable for some, then perhaps over specifying the motor (like yours for a 1.4), but putting a 1 metre on instead would increase service life and less likely to go out of tune...in theory.

Vic- you are obviously an ethusiast - have you tried to pick up 27.5W on your system yet?

Edited by graham1, 14 November 2012 - 09:55 AM.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:03 AM

Hi,

All very impressive Graham 1

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