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#1 graham1

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:55 AM

Been trying to advise people to either 'hold fire' or consider bigger dishes - the change to Astra 1N to 2F is due shortly, tests on 2F have already begun at 43.5 east (not it's final 28.2 - 28.5 east position). Presently the tests do not give us any useful data.

Whilst we have been advising people of a cautionary note with dish sizes, as ever the local cowboys are still throwing up 1 metre dishes and giving no such advice or information. We feel that this is inappropriate given changes may occur soon.

On a more positive note, the likes of Sky are less likely to be affected than the general free to air as these are transmitted from a different satellite which is not due for an imminent change.

On a slightly unrelated note, we have found we can obtain UK TV off an entirely different satellite on a 1 metre dish - though at this stage cannot give too much away - other than it is another option should we have issues with reception of 2F at a later stage. In summary for those that do have 1 metre dishes...all may not be lost.

Edited by graham1, 16 October 2012 - 09:00 AM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:51 AM

"On a slightly unrelated note, we have found we can obtain UK TV off an entirely different satellite on a 1 metre dish - though at this stage cannot give too much away - other than it is another option should we have issues with reception of 2F at a later stage. In summary for those that do have 1 metre dishes...all may not be lost. "

Interesting!!You have my attention. My guess, encrypted on intelsat 907,Eutelsat 36a

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:13 AM

Thanks for posting. Will monitor this thread.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:13 PM

Good guess Jack - I knew it would take all of 5 minutes for someone to guess the satellite - however picking it up this satellite on a meter and then decrypting / viewing it, is a different game altogether, complicated - however seen it working which can only be a good thing. We've still got some homework to do, hopefully won't be needed - but just in case.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:11 PM

Not a guess mate,15 minutes of digging. :)

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 12:10 PM

Hi,

UPDATE 23/10/12 - Astra 2F - "SES-Astra" have set the 15th of November, 2012 as their target date for ASTRA 2F to become operational at 28.2 degrees east, this means that we can expect Astra 2F to be moving from it's current 43.5 degrees east test position next week (info from robs satellite tv site thanks)


So we should finally find out what we can and cannot receive !My guess sky news ,movies for men .horror channels and not much else.I will be in LAM then and will be most interested on the 15th when I switch on using my one metre dish :wub: Jack
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Posted 26 October 2012 - 08:59 AM

That's because most of those aren't on 1N Jack :D there's also talk of running dual transmissions - keeping 1N going as well as 2F - temporarily? I guess at the moment as ever we'll have to wait & see. Though i'd agree with you I think


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http://www.lyngsat.c...telsat-28A.html


Astra 2a & 2b as well, though mostly Sky - so if you have Sky, should be o.k, as on different satellite to Astra 1N.

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:41 PM

The Astra satallite that was successfully launched last week will NOT be commissioned until 2013. Get your FACTS right and STOP speculating like all the other idiots and bar room know alls who THINK they are correct. NO ONE KNOWS? Even the people who own the satellite don't know. Check their web site.http://www.ses.com Both new satellites footprints cover Europe. And, if Astra decide to go elsewhere, then there is Eurobird 1 which has been in orbit for the past god knows how many years transmitting the SAME signal and will do for the next 12 - 18 years. Lets hope that we are still here hoping to watch TV after December 21 2021. If you do know more than the owners of this sat system, then PLEASE can you send to me next weeks lottery numbers so that I can leave and forget thinking about whether Eastenders or X factor will be on? Who is ROBS satellites????? Are they a registered company? Do they have an office?

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 05:09 PM

The Astra satallite that was successfully launched last week will NOT be commissioned until 2013. Get your FACTS right and STOP speculating like all the other idiots and bar room know alls who THINK they are correct. NO ONE KNOWS? Even the people who own the satellite don't know. Check their web site.http://www.ses.com Both new satellites footprints cover Europe. And, if Astra decide to go elsewhere, then there is Eurobird 1 which has been in orbit for the past god knows how many years transmitting the SAME signal and will do for the next 12 - 18 years. Lets hope that we are still here hoping to watch TV after December 21 2021. If you do know more than the owners of this sat system, then PLEASE can you send to me next weeks lottery numbers so that I can leave and forget thinking about whether Eastenders or X factor will be on? Who is ROBS satellites? ???? Are they a registered company? Do they have an office?


As someone who is also keen on factual information, I always check before posting on a forum, although I don't normally berate people who post, as, like you they are entitled to their opinion. In addition, this is a forum about, amongst other things TV, so it's perfectly acceptable to speculate on things like this. If you don't like it, don't read it, but if you do decide to post, I would respectlfully suggest you refrain from using insults and sarcasm.

Actually, you are correct that nobody knows where the footprints for the UK will bleed to, but once it reaches position, sometime in November, (there are websites where you can track its position.) they will start testing the frequencies. There are a number of enthusiasts around Europe who track these things, and pick up the test signals. It is this shared information, which informs the guesses for the footprints, and hence speculation, about reception and dish sizes. In addition, the original post was from Graham was about warning people about not upgrading their dish, or installing the 1m dish (which is currently okay) until there is sufficient information, and therefore the ensuing discussion, was, imho, perfectly valid.

However, back to my original reason for posting, which is about the facts you are so keen on. If you check you will find that 2F was actually launched on the 28th September, not last week.

Edited by BJ493, 04 November 2012 - 05:10 PM.


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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:23 PM

2cute for u - Your post is incorrect.

There are 3 beams from the 'new' 2F satellite, most people have concerns over the spot beam which is likely to contain the main UK terrestrials. Mentions of Robs satellite - this is a long established website, which does quite often (not always) get good information on this subject - well known in the trade. Something is happening on November 15th, the whether this will be the end of the current speculation / issue I cannot say presently for sure as they may keep 1N operational for a little while longer, but it does appear that this is the next 'key' date we need to be aware of.

Astra 2 F is presently testing as has been for a few weeks at 43 degrees east, though the reason why ourselves have not bothered to publish any of the test information, is there is nothing that can be accurately taken from this as it's pointing in the wrong direction - hence we have to wait until in place at around 28 degrees east - otherwise it would just add to the confusion / gossip.


My original post was put up more to notify people as there are still unscrupulous companies / individuals throwing up 1 metre dishes and not advising people that there are changes due shortly - we find this a little immoral, as it would be wrong to install a system that within a matter of weeks could cease to function - by withholding that information is deliberately misleading. 1 metre dishes are on the edge of reception at best, so putting something in now, when a small weakening of the signal would be enough to cause problems on a dish of this size, should not be recommended for Astra 2F.

Whilst we could do with the business, we would not want to destroy our reputation to make a fast buck, which is exactly what a lot of the cowboys are doing. We have been advising people to install larger dishes (such as a 1.4) for a number of months & have advised every client of the current situation.

Also not helping matters are some of the local newspapers who many are not aware partner with either rebroadcasters or even have shares in their own illegal streaming systems, so have spread rumour to suit their own purposes, rather than report anything remotely accurate - scaremongering.

Having said all of the above, you will still be able to receive UK TV off a 1 metre dish, as not all channels are on 1N / 2F & Sky for those that receive this should also be o.k as also on different satellite - but as for BBC / ITV ? That is mainly where most peoples concerns are - the basic popular free to air TV.

However as also stated previously there may be another way to get these channels on a 1 metre dish from a different satellite, but suspect the cowboys may struggle with this one intially as needs a specialist satellite receiver & some complexity in setting up.

Edited by graham1, 05 November 2012 - 04:51 PM.

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